* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. YOU'RE READY. OKAY. [00:00:02] ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL [ Call to order: City Hall Council Chamber ] CALL THAT MEETING TO ORDER AT 6 47. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THAT? WE DO, YES. AND UNDER ALL ITEM TWO. FOR ITEM TWO. OKAY. WELL, LET'S GO TO ITEM [1. Review and discuss the Facility Use Agreement with the Rosenberg Futbol Club, and take action as necessary to direct staff. (Rigo Calzoncin, Assistant City Manager) ] ONE. AND BEFORE WE, BEFORE I READ THE ITEM, LET ME JUST SHOW THE COUNCIL IF THEY HAVEN'T SEEN THIS SEPARATE, UH, THIS WIDE ENVELOPE THAT ALL OF YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN. YES. ABOUT THIS ITEM NUMBER ONE. IF Y'ALL RECALL, A FEW WEEKS BACK WE HAD AN AGREEMENT THAT THE COUNCIL HAS TO RATIFY REGARDING FACILITY USE AGREEMENT WITH ROSENBERG FOOTBALL CLUB SPRING ROSTER. SUM SUMMARY OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS. SO I'LL READ THE ITEM AND THEN WE WILL, UH, HEAR FROM RIGO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE FACILITY USE AGREEMENT WITH ROSENBERG FOOTBALL CLUB AND TAKE ACTION AS NECESSARILY DIRECT STAFF. WE GO. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS ITEM WAS INITIALLY PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 5TH, 2025, WHERE IT WAS TABLED AND SCHEDULED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AT THE AUGUST 26TH, 2025 COUNCIL WORKSHOP. THIS ITEM HAS BEEN PLACED ON THE AGENDA TO ALLOW CITY COUNCIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE FACILITY USE AGREEMENT WITH ROSENBERG OF FOOTBALL CLUB ON SEPTEMBER 6TH, UH, 2022. CITY COUNCIL APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 33 25, ESTABLISHING A FACILITY USE AGREEMENT WITH FC FOR THREE YEARS, BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2022, AND EXPIRING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025. THE AGREEMENT GRANTED FC TO USE THE DESIGNATED FIELDS AT RIO GARCIA PARK, SUNSET PARK, TRAVIS PARK, AND SEABORN CREEK REGIONAL SPORTS COMPLEX. THE AGREEMENT ALSO INCLUDES AN OPTION FOR BOTH PARTIES TO MUTUALLY EXTEND THE TERM FOR TWO ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR TERMS. DREW THE HIGH DEMAND FOR FIELD USAGE BY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS INDIVIDUALS ALONG WITH FCS, FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE CITY AND PAY PARTICIPATION FEES IN A TIMELY MANNER. STAFF INITIALLY RECOMMENDED NOT TO EXTEND THE AGREEMENT FOR THE OPTIONAL RENEWAL PERIOD SINCE THE AUGUST 5TH, 2025. CITY COUNCIL MEETING. STAFF HAS MET WITH FC REPRESENTATIVES TO GATHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND RENEGOTIATE, RENEGOTIATE THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT. A SUMMARY OF THE INFORMATION OBTAINED FROM FC A SUMMARY OF THE PROPOSED TERMS FOR A NEW AGREEMENT AND SUMMARY OF FCS SPRING ROSTER HAS BEEN PROVIDED UNDER SEPARATE COVER. A DRAFT FACILITY AGREEMENT HAS ALSO BEEN PROVIDED AND IS ATTACHED FOR REVIEW. BASED ON COUNSEL'S. CONSISTS OF THIS MEETING, STAFF MAY PRESENT A REVISED AGREEMENT FOR A, FOR FORMAL ACTION AT A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. SO WE DID END UP MEETING WITH, UH, THE FC CLUB AND WE ENDED UP WORKING OUT SOME AGREEMENTS AND, UH, TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S HAPPY. WOULD YOU MIND, COULD YOU COME UP HERE, SIR? 'CAUSE I REMEMBER YOU WERE ONE OF THE SPEAKERS ON THAT. SO Y'ALL HAVE WORKED THIS OUT, BOTH SIDES HERE? YES, SIR. AND YOU'RE FULLY AGREEABLE? YES. RIGO, YOU'RE FULLY AGREEABLE? YES, SIR. ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA SEE IF THE COUNCIL IS AGREEABLE. WE'RE GONNA START FIRST WITH, UH, FELIX. WE'LL SEE IF FELIX IS AGREEABLE. I THINK SO. HE'S USUALLY A PRETTY AGREEABLE GUY. UH, I'M, I'M AGREEABLE. I JUST ONE QUESTION. UM, WERE YOU ABLE TO TURN IN THE SCHEDULE FOR THE, UM, I GUESS THE, THE ITINERARY I GUESS SO THE, THE LEADS THAT WE PLAY UNDER ARE, ARE WORKING IN THOSE SCHEDULES RIGHT NOW. DO YOU MIND TURNING ON THE MICROPHONE? THERE YOU GO. COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE? YES, UH, DARREN WEBER. DO YOU NEED MY ADDRESS? 1321 BROOKS AVENUE, ROSENBERG, TEXAS. UH, YES. SO THE LEAGUES THAT WE PLAY UNDER ARE FORMALIZING THE, UH, SCHEDULES NOW. SO WE DO HAVE, EXCUSE ME, WE DO HAVE OUR PRACTICE SCHEDULE AVAILABLE THAT WE'VE PROVIDED, BUT WE'LL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE, THE, THE GAME SCHEDULE FOR THE HOME GAMES, UH, IN THE COMING, LITERALLY IN THE COMING DAYS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, SO THERE'S ONLY, UH, IT'S 55% OF THE PLAYERS THERE, WHICH ARE ROSENBERG CITIZENS, RIGHT? A APPROXIMATELY, YES, SIR. OKAY. UM, SO DO YOU SEE YOURSELF GROWING? I MEAN, ARE ARE YOU CONTINUALLY GROWING AS, AS A, UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW I THINK THE CONTRACT IS FOR $20 INCREASE PER PARTICIPANT, CORRECT? YES, SIR. SO DO YOU, MY QUESTION, I GUESS TO, TO REWORD IT IS, UM, ARE YOU GROWING IN A SENSE? YES. I MEAN, WE, WE'VE SLOWLY GROWN THROUGH COVID AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE YEARS WHERE OUR BRAND WE'RE, WE'RE STILL CONSIDERED A BRAND NEW CLUB EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GOING INTO OUR EIGHTH YEAR. RIGHT. UM, WE PURPOSELY DID IT SLOWLY BECAUSE WE WANT TO BUILD OUR COACHES AND OUR EXPERIENCE LEVEL 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE TO THE, TO THE KIDS. UM, AND IT TO THE POINT NOW WHERE WE ARE STARTING TO EXPAND AND GROW, WE'RE SEEING THE GROWTH OKAY. ALONG WITH THIS, THIS, AS THE CITY [00:05:01] GROWS, WE'RE GROWING. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, YEAH, I'M, I'M FOR IT. I DON'T SEE WHY NOT. ALRIGHT, STEVE, UM, I'M, I'M OFF WORK. HECTOR, I KNEW YOU HAD THANK YOU. I KNEW YOU HAD SOME GOOD QUESTIONS. YEAH. SO, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAD ABOUT 400 FROM OUT OF TOWN IN ONE YEAR THAT RAN THROUGH YOUR ME CARDIO PARK. IS THAT CORRECT OR ABOUT, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, WHEN Y'ALL SAY Y'ALL GET THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, WE HAVE A NAP THAT TELLS YOU EXACTLY HOW MANY PEOPLE COME FROM OUT OF TOWN. SO IT WAS ABOUT 400, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IT WAS ABOUT 400 OUT OF TOWN PEOPLE THAT WENT TO THE PARK. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WITH YOU, THAT IT WAS NOT A THOUSAND OR 2000 AS IT WAS STATED BACK ON THE OTHER, UH, MEETING THAT WE HAD. UH, BUT AFTER, EXCUSE ME, AFTER REVIEWING THE, THE CONTRACT MAYOR STAFF IS WITH IT. AND IF THEY'RE WITH IT, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH IT. HMM. OKEY DOKE. JESSICA. I, I FEEL THE SAME WAY. AS LONG AS THE STAFF SUPPORTS IT, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH IT. OKAY. RICHARD? NO QUESTIONS? I'M GOOD, GEORGE. WELL, I, THE ONLY, THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE FOR MAYOR COUNSEL IS THE INSURANCE, UH, NO INSURANCE REQUIRED. UH, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE, THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE INSURANCE. YES, SIR. THEY'RE GONNA GET INSURANCE ON, UH, PAGE THREE. OH, LET ME SEE. PAY BULLET NUMBER SIX OR ITEM NUMBER SIX. THE ORGANIZATION SHALL MAINTAIN GENERAL LIABILITY INSURANCE WITH A MINIMUM COVERAGE OF A MILLION DOLLARS PER OCCURRENCE. NAMING THE CITY AS AN ADDITIONAL INSURER. PROOF OF INSURANCE MAY MUST BE PROVIDED ANNUALLY PRIOR TO FACILITY USE. SO I HAD A QUESTION ALSO, MAYOR, UH, I DON'T WANT TO BE SURPRISED LATER ON IN THE IN LIFE THAT, UH, LIKE THE APPALOOSA HAD ROSENBERG, WE WEREN'T READY FOR IT. THAT'S MY ONLY PROBLEM TOO AS WELL. MM-HMM . SO ONE QUESTION. DOES THE INSURANCE COVER, UH, THE TEAM OR THE CITY OR, OR BOTH? SO CURRENTLY THE INSURANCE THAT WE HAVE COVERS THE PLAYER THROUGH THE ASSOCIATIONS THAT WE PLAY. OKAY. UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE NEW AGENCY, UH, HERE LOCALLY TO GET THE $1 MILLION COVERAGE WITH THE CITY NAMED ON IT FOR, FOR THAT REQUIREMENT SPECIFICALLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALRIGHT. YEAH, SOUNDS FINE. IF Y'ALL GOT IT WORKED OUT IF YOU'RE HAPPY. YES SIR. HE'S HAPPY. WE'RE HAPPY. ALRIGHT. DO THEY NEED A MOTION FOR THAT? NO, SIR. JUST YOUR MOTION. WELL, CONGRATULATIONS Y'ALL HAVE YOUR AGREEMENT. IT WILL, IT WILL COME BACK TO COUNSEL ON SEPTEMBER 16TH FOR A VOTE. ALRIGHT. SO WE HAVE TO RATIFY IT SO SURE. Y'ALL CAN COME BACK OR YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK. WE DON'T MIND HAVING YOU BACK. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. YOU'RE WELCOME. YES, SIR, SIR. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, [2. Review and discuss potential revisions to the Code of Ordinances, Chapter 16, Article IV related to Itinerant Vendors, Solicitors and Peddlers, and take action as necessary to direct staff. (William Benton, Mayor) ] ITEM NUMBER TWO. NOW THIS ONE WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON, SO WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT TONIGHT HOW THE COUNCIL FEELS, BUT WE WANNA FIND OUT HOW THE PUBLIC FEELS AS WELL. UH, LET ME READ THE ITEM, REVIEW AND DISCUSS POTENTIAL REVISIONS TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 16, ARTICLE FOUR RELATED TO ITINERARY VENDORS, SOLICITORS AND PEDDLERS, AND TAKE ACTION AS NECESSARY. DIRECT STAFF. AS Y'ALL KNOW, I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE, UH, AT, AT THE, ACTUALLY THE REQUEST OF, UH, DR. IVES AND, UH, MR. RACK AND APPARENTLY SEVERAL FOLKS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, ASKING AROUND, I'VE ALSO DETERMINED THAT, UH, IN FACT I HADN'T FOUND ANYBODY THAT'S IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING DOOR-TO-DOOR SOLICITORS. JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND, UM, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, MAYBE 20 13, 20 14, MAYBE 2015, I WAS NOT THE MAYOR. UM, WE HAVE A, A, A CURRENT, WELL WE HAD A CURRENT CITY COUNCILMAN AT THAT TIME WHO IS HERE TONIGHT. AMANDA J BARTA. UM, HER DAD WAS VICTIMIZED BY ONE OF THESE SO-CALLED DOOR TO DOOR SOLICITORS. THEY, UH, DISTRACTED HIM AND, UM, UH, GOT HIM OUTSIDE AND THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WENT INSIDE INTO HIS HOME AND ACTUALLY REMOVED AND STOLE HIS SAFE. AND IT WAS ABOUT $12,000 IN THE SAFE. IS THAT RIGHT, AMANDA? AND OTHER THINGS TOO? YEAH, JUST THAT WAS JUST THE CASH PORTION. [00:10:01] I'M SURE HE HAD SENTIMENTAL ITEMS IN THERE TOO. SO OF COURSE AMANDA WAS UPSET. UH, SHE MENTIONED IT TO ME ABOUT IT. AT THAT TIME, WE HAD, UM, NO PERMITTING PROCESS AND IT WAS LIKE THE WILD WEST A FOR FOLKS ABLE TO COME UP HERE. I MEAN, COME TO ROSENBERG AND SOLICIT, UM, UH, AND WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GET IN TS WITH THESE FOLKS. UH, LIKE I SAID, AT THAT TIME THEY DIDN'T EVEN NEED A PERMIT. I PROPOSED IT AT THAT TIME. I PROPOSED AT THAT TIME TO NOT EVEN HAVE A PERMITTING PROCESS. I PRETTY SURE THAT WOULD, WAS MY PREFERENCE. THEN NONETHELESS, THE COUNCIL, DO WE HAVE THE MINUTES? MAYOR FROM THAT TIME? I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU HAVE THEM? OH, WE DO. OKAY. WHAT DO THEY SAY? WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S QUESTIONING MY MEMORY FROM 15 YEARS AGO. UH, WELL, ANYWAY, I I REALLY WOULDN'T CONCERN YOURSELF WITH IT. HECTOR, LET ME FINISH MY, MY STATEMENT HERE. UM, NONETHELESS, UH, THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME VOTED NOT TO, UH, PROHIBIT, UH, DOOR TO DOOR SOLICITING. AND WE CAME UP WITH A, UH, A PERMITTING PROCESS. SINCE THEN, FOLKS HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT AND THEY DOOR TO DOOR SOLICIT. I DON'T THINK THE PERMITTING PROCESS HAS WORKED, FRANKLY. AND, UM, SO I'M SUGGESTING TO Y'ALL THAT WE GET RID OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND TOTALLY PROHIBITED. UH, THESE FOLKS ARE AGGRESSIVE. UM, AND YEAH, OR I THINK IT'S UNSAFE FOR THE, FOR THE CITIZENS AND IT'S UNSAFE TO, FOR THEM. BUT WE HAVE SPEAKERS TONIGHT, UM, AND WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY THINK AND THEN WE WILL HEAR WHAT THE COUNCIL WISHES TO DO. ALRIGHT, MR. RACK, CAN YOU GO FIRST? WAYNE, WOULD YOU MIND MY MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL? MY NAME IS WAYNE PORACK. I LIVE AT 25 14 PECAN DRIVE IN ROSENBERG. SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, A SOLICITOR CAME TO OUR HOUSE. I ANSWERED THE DOOR AND I SAID, WHAT DO YOU NEED? HE SAID HE WANTED TO DO MY PEST CONTROL. I THEN ASKED HIM FOR HIS PERMIT AND HE SAID IT WAS IN A EMAIL. I, I SAID, NO, NO, NO, I DON'T THINK IT WORKS THAT WAY. I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT WITH A LANYARD AROUND YOUR NECK. WE HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION. I TOLD HIM HOW HE WANTED HIS SERVICES. HE THEN TOLD ME THAT HE REALLY NEEDED TO GO TO THE BATHROOM AND ASKED ME IF HE COULD USE OUR BATHROOM IN MY HOUSE. HERE'S THE GUY I'VE NEVER SEEN IN MY LIFE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A PROPER PERMIT, BUT HE WANTS TO COME IN MY HOUSE AND USE MY BATHROOM. I DON'T THINK SO. I REALLY LOOK THAT STUPID. OVER THE YEARS, I'VE FOUND THAT SOLICITORS WITH A PROPER PERMIT ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN BECAUSE THEY KNOW THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES FOR NOT HAVING A PERMIT. I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND OFFICER SUPERAL ON HOW EFFECTIVELY SHE HANDLED THE SITUATION. AFTER HER ENCOUNTER WITH THE SOLICITOR SHE CAME TO WHERE DAN AND I WERE, SHE EXPLAINED THE PROCEDURE, SHE FOLLOWED. WE APPRECIATE HER AND THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT IN OUR CURRENT BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT WITH MULTIPLE ELECTRONIC MEDIA DEVICES. I THINK DOOR TO DOOR SOLICITATION NO LONGER SERVES ANY USEFUL PURPOSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, WAYNE. ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS, UH, ROBBIE CONLEY. MS. CONLEY, I DON'T RECALL SEEING YOU, BUT WELCOME AND THANK YOU FOR COMING. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN HERE BEFORE? NO, I HAVE NOT. WELL, WELCOME. THANK YOU. ROBBIE CONLEY, 24 11 HICKORY WAY, ROSENBERG, TEXAS. I TOO HAD THE SAME PEST CONTROL PERSON SHOW UP AT MY DOOR. I'VE RECENTLY HAD SEVERAL SURGERIES AND WAS HOME BOUND, AND HE CAME AND MY DAUGHTER ANSWERED THE PHONE, AND HE JUST KEPT AFTER HER ABOUT HAVING OUR PEST CONTROL, HAVING OUR PEST CONTROL. WE NEEDED PEST CONTROL AND CITING VARIOUS REASONS WHY. AND SHE KEPT TRYING TO SHUT THE DOOR AND HE KEPT STANDING THERE. NOW, COULD I HAVE CALLED THE [00:15:01] POLICE? ABSOLUTELY. BUT AS A RETIRED PARAMEDIC, I HATE BOLLOCKING UP THE 9 1 1 SYSTEM TO HANDLE SOMETHING SUCH AS PEDDLERS. SHE SHUT THE DOOR, HE FINALLY LEFT AND WENT ON HIS WAY. THEY ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE OUT OF HAND. NOW, MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN CORRECT ME ON THIS, BUT I BELIEVE THERE'S ONLY TWO TYPES OF PE TWO TYPES OF DOOR TO DOOR PEOPLE. WE CAN'T STOP. AND THAT'S POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. THOSE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE I DON'T SEE AT MY DOOR. I HAD A REAL ESTATE AGENT THAT WAS SO PERSISTENT, IT TOOK A CALL TO HER BROKERAGE FIRM TO GET HER TO STOP. THIS IS GONNA END WITH SOMEBODY GETTING HURT SOME WAY, SOME FORM SOME FASHION. IF WE DON'T ACT AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE JUST DON'T NEED IT ANYMORE. SO I URGE YOU TO PLEASE PASS THE ORDINANCE TO NOT ALLOW DOOR-TO-DOOR PING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. CONLEY. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS CAROLYN. CAROLYN SEILER. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CAROLYN SEILER. I RESIDE AT 26 25 CEDAR LANE HERE IN ROSENBERG. AND, UH, I HAVE HAD MY FILL OF DOOR, DOOR PEDALERS AND MY SHARE OF THEM. SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A HAILSTORM. I WAS HERE IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. WE COULDN'T EVEN TALK BECAUSE IT WAS SO LOUD. FOR TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT, I HAD EVERY NIGHT A ROOFER COME WANTING TO DO MY ROOF. I MEAN, SOMETIMES THERE WAS TWO OF 'EM IN ONE NIGHT, AND THE MAJORITY OF 'EM WERE FROM OUT OF TOWN. AND, UH, UH, THAT'S UNCALLED FOR. AND THEN, UH, ABOUT THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO, UH, THERE WAS TWO YOUNG GUYS, EARLY TWENTIES OR TEENS, AND THEY CAME TO THE DOOR SELLING ENCYCLOPEDIAS. NOW, WHO SELLS ENCYCLOPEDIAS NOWADAYS? UM, IT WAS VERY SHADY. SO I DID CALL PD AND THEY USHERED 'EM AWAY. UM, THEN, UH, I HAD AN INFINITY LADY. SHE CLAIMS SHE WAS A SUPERVISOR. AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO TAKE YOUR PHONE AND YOU CAN GO UP AND DOWN THE STREET AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT SERVICE EVERYBODY HAS. AND SHE SAYS, WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE, UM, INFINITY, YOU HAVE AT AND T. AND I SAID, YES, I DO. AND SHE SAID, WELL, WE HAVE SUCH A GOOD DEAL, DA, DA, DA, DA. AND I SAID, MA'AM, I'M NOT INTERESTED. SHE SAID, OH, BUT WE CAN OFFER YOU A GOOD DEAL. I SAID, MA'AM, I'M NOT INTERESTED. YOU CAN GO. I SHUT MY DOOR AND SHE STOOD THERE ON MY FRONT PORCH TALKING TO MY DOOR. I'M THINKING, WHAT AN IDIOT. SO, UH, YEAH, SHE STOOD THERE AND KEPT ON. SO I ENDED UP CALLING PD OFFICER, CAME BACK, CAME BY, TOOK HER OFF MY PORCH AND ESCORTED HER TO THE FREEWAY. I MEAN, JUST VERY PERSISTENT. AND I TOO, HAD THE BROOKS PEST CONTROL COME TO MY HOUSE. UM, I'M AT HOME USUALLY DURING THE DAYTIME. HE CAME ABOUT THREE O'CLOCK AND, UH, RANG THE DOORBELL. RANG THE DOORBELL, AND I JUST WATCHED HIM THROUGH MY PHONE AT MY RING CAMERA. AND I DIDN'T ANSWER THE DOOR THAT EVENING. HE CAME BACK ABOUT SEVEN O'CLOCK. MY SON WAS THERE. AND, UH, I LOOKED AT MY RING AND I SAID, THAT'S THE SAME GUY. SO MY SON GOES TO THE DOOR AND HE WAS PREPARED. AND, UH, HE ASKED HIM WHAT YOU NEED? AND HE TOLD HIM, HIT THE ROAD. THE GUY DIDN'T WANNA LISTEN. AND THEN BRENT SAID, HIT THE ROAD. AND THE GUY STOOD THERE IN MY FRONT YARD, WAS ON HIS PHONE FOREVER. AND MY SON SAID, AT THIS TIME, IT WAS THE SAME SHIRT, BUT HE HAD SPLOTCHES OF SOMETHING ON HIS SHIRT. AND HE SAID, FIRST HE THOUGHT IT WAS BLOOD OR SOMETHING. BUT, UH, ANYWAY, ALFRED GRANADAS CAME OUT AND FOUND OUT HE WAS FROM UTAH AND THEY WERE TRYING TO ESTABLISH A PEST CONTROL SERVICE HERE IN THE GREATER HOUSTON AREA. AND, UH, THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE. AND THEN ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, HAD A GUY, I NOTICED HIM IN A HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, AND THEN HE CAME RUNNING UP MY SIDEWALK AND HE SAID, WELL, MA'AM, I'M NOT HERE TO SELL YOU ANYTHING. AND I TALKED TO HIM THROUGH THE RING DOORBELL. I DIDN'T ANSWER THE DOOR. AND HE SAID, BUT I NOTICED YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ON YOUR HOUSE. HE SAYS, UH, DO YOU MIND IF I CAN GO AHEAD AND WALK AROUND AND GIVE YOU A QUOTE? AND I SAID, WELL, IF YOU'RE NOT SELLING ANYTHING, WHY ARE YOU GONNA GIMME A QUOTE? AND HE AGAIN, WOULD NOT LEAVE. AND SO I HAD TO TELL HIM. I SAID, HIT THROAT, SIR. AND, UH, SO HE KEPT ON AND I SAID, LOOK, ON THE WINDOW NEXT TO MY FRONT DOOR, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A SIGN THERE. IT SAYS, NO SOLICITING. HE GOES, OH, ME BAD. AND SO HE FINALLY LEFT WHEN I ASKED HIM IF, UH, HE HAD A PERMIT. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH. THANK YOU, CAROLYN. I THINK OUR LAST SPEAKER IS DR. IVES. AND DR. IVES IS HEADED, HEADS UP THE HOA IN, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AM I CORRECT, DAN? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND HAVE YOU HAD ANY OBJECTIONS FROM FOLKS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT US PROPOSING THIS TOTAL PROHIBITION? YOU DON'T HEAR ANYBODY IN THE WHOLE TOWN ? I HAVEN'T. I HAVEN'T, HONESTLY. YEAH, BUT JUST CHECKING. [00:20:01] I'M DAN IVES, 2,500 PECAN DRIVE ROSENBERG COUNCIL MEMBERS. WHEN A CITY ORDINANCE IS APPROVED, IT BECOMES LAW. AND THE LAW IS ONLY EFFECTIVE WHEN IT'S ENFORCED. JUST PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT, JUST A SECOND. YOU CAN APPROVE ALL THE LAWS YOU WANT, BUT IF THEY ARE NOT ENFORCED, YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING. ROSENBERG A ROSENBERG LAW SAYS, A DOOR TO DOOR PEDDLER NEEDS A CITY PERMIT. BUT NEVER ONCE HAS A SOLICITOR COME TO MY DOOR WITH A CITY PERMIT. OVER THE YEARS, I HAVE CALLED NUMEROUS TIMES FOR A POLICE COURTESY CHECK. WHEN THE OFFICER COME, WHEN, WHEN THE OFFICERS COME ON SITE, THEY ACTUALLY SEE THE SOLICITOR SOLICITING. AND THE SOLICITOR ADMITS THEY ARE SOLICITING GUILTY. WITHOUT DOUBT. THE OFFICERS ARE GREAT IN GETTING THE PEDDLERS GONE, BUT THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF A CITATION AND SOLICITORS KEEP COMING. SO I'M ASKING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PROHIBIT SOLICITATIONS IN OUR CITY WITH A $200 FINE PER VIOLATION, ALONG WITH THE EXPECTATION OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THE LAW WILL BE ENFORCED. STAND UP AND BE COUNTED. AFTER A COUPLE OF PEDDLERS ARE FINED BY THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE, THE WORD WILL SPREAD QUICKLY. THINK ABOUT THIS, THE CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND KEEP ROSENBERG SAFE AND SOUND. AND I THANK YOU. THANK YOU DR. IVES. I SEE THREE OTHER CITIZENS THAT I KNOW LIVE IN THE CITY. MS. MEISTER, RICHARD GUIDRY, AMANDA BARTA, YOU. NONE OF YOU SI SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF TOTAL, TOTAL PROHIBITION OF, UH, DOOR TO DOOR SOLICITING? YES. YES. RICHARD, MS. MEISTER. OKAY. APPROACH US. YES. ALRIGHT, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN DISTRICT TWO, YOU'RE IN DISTRICT THREE, AND AMANDA, YOU'RE IN DISTRICT THREE. ALRIGHT, THANK Y'ALL. SO WE WILL, WE WILL JUST ASSUME THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T SPEAK, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW YOUR WISHES. ALRIGHT, LET ME ASK THE ATTORNEY. AND I DID THIS, WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, UM, SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, BRANDON, YOU AND I SPOKE, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC, TELL US, UM, WHAT OUR RIGHTS ARE AS A CITY OR AS A COUNCIL MEMBERS, CAN WE PROHIBIT? UH, AS YOU TOLD ME SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, WE CAN PROHIBIT AND RESTRICT THIS. WE CAN RESTRICT, WE CAN RESTRICT, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION. UH, AND WE WOULDN'T WANT TO, UH, RESTRICT, UH, POLITICAL OR RELIGIOUS OTHER THAN THAT. CAN WE, CAN WE RE, CAN WE HAVE A TOTAL PROHIBITION AGAINST PEDDLERS? YOU CANNOT. UM, YOU CANNOT. SO YOU CAN, THAT'S RIGHT. I, DID YOU SEE MY EMAIL A COUPLE WEEKS AGO? NO, YOU TOLD ME WE COULD RESTRICT. I SAID STATE LAW ALLOWS US TO RESTRICT THEM. OKAY. THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CASES THAT ARE, THEY'RE VERY OLD, BUT THEY'RE STILL GOOD CASE LAW. UH, ONE FROM CANYON, TEXAS IN 1942, UHHUH , UH, CITY OUTRIGHT BANNED PEDDLERS ENTIRELY, UH, WENT UP TO THE COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS AS THEY'RE PROSECUTING ONE OF THE PEDDLERS, UHHUH . AND, UH, THE COURT SAID YOU CAN'T DO IT. UM, THEIR, THEIR RATIONALE IS A LITTLE DATED. NOW, UH, IT SAID THERE'S, UH, PRODUCTS OUT THERE THAT IT WOULD BE NO WAY FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW ABOUT IF PEDDLERS DIDN'T GO DOOR TO DOOR AND DEMONSTRATE FOR 'EM. UM, BUT WHAT IS YOUR LEGAL OPINION? WHEN I SPOKE, WHEN WE SPOKE THREE WEEKS AGO, YOU SAID, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO IT. ARE YOU CHANGING YOUR LEGAL OPINION NOW, MAYOR, WHAT I TOLD YOU IS WE, THE, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SAYS THAT WE CAN, UH, RESTRICT. AND THEN I TOOK A LOOK AT THE CASE LAW AND I SENT YOU AN EMAIL TWO WEEKS AGO THAT SAID, THERE'S THESE TWO CASES THAT SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE A COMPLETE BAN. SO CAN WE RESTRICT WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TONIGHT? AND I TELL YOU, BRANDON, IF YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR OPINION, YOU NEED TO YOU, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE DONE THIS. THEY SENT YOU AN EMAIL. MY OPINION IS HERE TO YOU TWO WEEKS AGO IN WRITING, OKAY, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THIS. TELL ME WHAT ARE, WHAT WE CAN DO, UH, WHAT WE CAN DO TO, TO LIMIT THIS THEN. SO THERE ARE, WE DO HAVE, UH, HONESTLY, A PRETTY DECENT ORDINANCE IN PLACE. BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE COULD DO TO TIGHTEN IT UP. ALRIGHT? WHAT ARE THEY? SO UNDER OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, WE HAVE, UM, [00:25:01] YOU CAN'T SOLICIT TO A, A HOME THAT HAS A NO SOLICITING SIGN IN THE WINDOW. IT'S VERY SPECIFIC. IT'S GOTTA BE A CARD OF A CERTAIN SIZE, IT'S GOTTA HAVE CERTAIN SIZE LETTERING, ALL THAT SORT OF THING. WE CAN LOOSEN THAT AND JUST SAY, IF THE HOUSE HAS A NO SOLICITING SIGN, YOU CAN'T GO THERE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE PENALTIES FOR THAT. UM, THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT HAVE ADOPTED OTHER, UH, SORT OF CONSUMER PROTECTION THINGS. IT MAKE IT A MISDEMEANOR. IF YOU HAVE ANY FALSE OR MISLEADING STATEMENTS LIKE SAYING, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M PART, I'M HERE WITH THIS ORGANIZATION. AND IN REALITY, YOU'RE NOT, UM, YOU CAN MAKE, WELL MAKE THAT A MISDEMEANOR. WELL, YOUR HONOR, I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT YOU, BUT SINCE YOU'RE THERE, I WAS GOING TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES, BECAUSE IT DOES SAY THAT IF YOU'RE WITH AN EDUCATIONAL, CHARITABLE, RELIGIOUS, OR WHATEVER IT WAS IN THE, UM, AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES, IT SAYS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO IT. FIRST OF ALL, IT SAYS THE DEFENDANT, UM, WOULD HAVE TO EXHIBIT AT THE TIME OF SOLICITATION DOCUMENTATION IN WRITING. AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, LIKE FROM THE ORGANIZATION OR JUST FROM WHO, I GUESS THE SOLICITOR PEDLER OR THE INDIVIDUAL. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT SAYS DEFENDANT'S A LITTLE BIT ADVANCED, BUT, WELL, SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GET TO THE AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE, IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY WHEN YOU'RE IN MUNICIPAL COURT, UM, PROSECUTING IT. SO THEN MY QUESTION IS, WILL WE, WHEN WE'RE SAYING SOMETHING IN WRITING, WHO WOULD THAT BE FROM? JUST FROM, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY YOU'RE A GIRL SCOUT AND YOU'RE GOING DOOR TO DOOR, OR LIKE, YOU'RE MY KIDS, THEY'RE SELLING RAFFLE TICKETS RIGHT NOW. THAT COULD BE A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION OR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE, BUT WHO ARE THEY? WHAT ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO HAVE IN TERMS OF A WRITING FROM THE ORGANIZATION? I, I THINK THAT WOULD PARTIALLY BE COURT'S DISCRETION. UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE PROVING UP AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE, IT'S, IT'S YOUR BURDEN TO BEAR. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU WOULD NEED SOMETHING OFFICIAL FROM THE ORGANIZATION IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY THAT'S WHO YOU'RE THERE ON BEHALF OF. WELL, AND I NOTICED THAT IT SAYS IT'S A MISDEMEANOR AND IT CITES PART OF THE CODE THAT IT SAID IT WOULD BE PUNISHABLE IN, IN CONFORMITY WITH, I GUESS LIKE ONE DASH 13 MM-HMM . BUT IS IT A CLASS C? SHOULD IT SAY SPECIFICALLY WHAT LEVEL OF MISDEMEANOR OR WHAT CLASS MISDEMEANOR IT IS? SO I, I BELIEVE THAT SECTION ACTUALLY DOES THE ONE THAT IT REFERS TO ONE DASH 13. THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF THE, UM, FINE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE FOR MOST OF OUR ORDINANCES. THIS IS ANOTHER THING WE CAN KICK UP THOUGH. IF YOU HAVE REPEAT OFFENDERS, THERE'S A COUPLE OF CITIES OUT THERE. AND, AND I WILL SAY THERE'S NOT ONE CITY IN TEXAS THAT'S OUTRIGHT BANNED THIS, UH, IN, IN RECENT YEARS. UM, THERE ARE A FEW THAT ARE, THAT ARE KIND OF PUSHING THE LINE A LITTLE FURTHER AND NONE OF 'EM HAVE BEEN OVERTURNED RECENTLY. UH, THERE'S A COUPLE CITIES OUT THERE THAT HAVE MADE IT, IF YOU HAVE REPEAT OFFENSES, UH, THE CITY DECLARES IT A NUISANCE AND THAT KICKS OUR FINE ABILITY UP TO $2,000. SO IT WOULD ALL STILL BE WITHIN THE CLASS C, IT WOULD BE CLASS C, BUT IT WOULD JUST, WELL, IF IT'S A NUISANCE, IT CAN'T BE. WELL, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO NUISANCES ARE TYPICALLY THINGS LIKE, UH, LOUD NOISES, HIGH WEEDS, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN, UM, BUT YOU CAN HAVE THEM ON, UM, THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOUR MUSIC'S TOO LOUD CITY CAN, CAN DECLARE THAT A NUISANCE BY ORDINANCE. AND IT JUST RAISES OUR ABILITY TO FIND BEYOND JUST A TYPICAL CLASS C, RIGHT? SO WE CAN, WELL, YOU CAN GO UP TO $2,000 FOR A, UH, ANYTHING THAT'S DECLARED A NUISANCE THAT'S VIOLATED. OKAY. SO IF WE WISH TO GIVE SOME RELIEF TO THESE CITIZENS, WHAT IS YOUR, UH, LEGAL ADVICE TO DO SO? SO MY AND, AND I WILL SAY I, I CAN'T STAND THESE THINGS EITHER. I GOT A 1-YEAR-OLD AT HOME, I GOT A PREGNANT WIFE. A SOLICITOR WAKES UP ONE OR THE OTHER. NAPPING PROBABLY ONCE A WEEK. DRIVES ME INSANE. UM, I, I THINK WE SH MY SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE, UH, OUR NO, UM, NO SOLICITING SIGN. PART OF OUR ORDINANCE IS EXTREMELY SPECIFIC. I WOULD LOOSEN THAT. JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, IF IF THE HOUSE HAS A NO SOLICITING SIGN, UH, POSTED, THAT'S IN PLAIN VIEW, YOU CAN'T GO THERE. THAT MAKES IT PRETTY EASY TO ENFORCE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A, A WEATHERPROOF SIGN THAT'S IN YOUR WINDOW, LETTERS OF A CERTAIN HEIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T NEED THAT KIND OF SPECIFICITY ON IT. MOST OF THESE FOLKS DON'T HAVE A PERMIT. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD, THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WAS GONNA, MOST OF THESE FOLKS DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, SO, UH, IT'S NOT REALLY THAT, UH, MY WHOLE REALLY BRINGING THIS UP WAS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO ENFORCE MM-HMM . BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY LOOPHOLES WHEN YOU HAVE A PERMIT PROCESS. SO, WE'LL CUT TO THE CHASE. ARE YOU STILL SUGGEST, UM, PROVIDING FOR, IS YOUR OPINION STILL PROVIDING FOR A PERMIT PROCESS? IT, IT SEEMS TO BE THE FURTHEST YOU CAN GO. [00:30:02] WELL, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE, UH, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT THE COUNCIL, IF THE COUNCIL WISHES, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE CONTINUE TO LOOK INTO THIS AND SEE HOW THESE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IT. AND REALLY, EVERY CITY THAT'S ENFORCING IT HAS A PERMITTING PROCESS. WELL, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT SURE. I'M GONNA DO A LITTLE OUT, A LITTLE MORE OUTSIDE WORK ON THIS AS WELL. LET, BUT LET'S JUST SEE IF THE, UH, WOULD DR. I WELL, LET'S GO THROUGH THE LINE, DR. I, AND LET'S SEE IF THIS COUNCIL HAS AN INTEREST. YOU'RE WELCOME TO WALK UP HERE, BUT LET'S SEE IF THIS COUNSEL HAS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY DO. BUT LET'S SEE IF THE COUNSEL HAS AN INTEREST EVEN OF CONTINUING, LEMME SHARE WITH YOU. I WOULD ASK THE, I WOULD ASK THE, THE ATTORNEY, UM, IN REGARD TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS IN THE LAW, UHHUH , IT SAYS, UH, PEDLER MUST HAVE A PERMIT. SO WHAT'S IF IF IF THE POLICE ISSUE A CITATION, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE A PERMIT. WHAT'S THE PENALTY? SO IT, IT WOULD FALL UNDER OUR NORMAL PENALTY PROVISION. I BELIEVE IT'S $200 FINE, A FINE UP TO $200. YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST HAD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PRO PROTECT US THAT WAY AND THAT WE'D, WE'D GET 'EM, WE'D, WE'D IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME GET A HALF A DOZEN OF THOSE BY THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE. RIGHT. YEAH. I PROBLEM SOLVED ENFORCEMENT. UH, IT, IT'S, WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, BUT MY HOPES IS THAT WE COULD ADVERTISE, YOU KNOW, UH, DOOR TO DOOR SOLICITING PROHIBITED. THAT WAY YOU AVOID LOOPHOLES. 'CAUSE YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE THESE LOOPHOLES IF YOU HAVE A PERMITTING PROCESS. I LEFT IT IN THE CAR. THE GUY EMAILED IT. MY MANAGER HAS IT. BUT LET'S SEE IF THE COUNCIL REALLY WISHES TO EVEN GO DOWN. THIS, UH, FELIX, LET'S START WITH YOU. DO YOU, UM, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THESE DOOR TO DOOR SOLICITORS? DO YOU WISH FOR THE CITY TO TIGHTEN UP OR DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT A PROBLEM? ABSOLUTELY. I, I, I DON'T LIKE, UH, UH, PEDDLERS COMING IN AND KNOCKING. UM, I MEAN, IF THE PEOPLE WANT IT, YOU KNOW, WHY NOT GIVE IT TO THEM? UM, OTHER THING IS, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD BE MORE, UH, STRICTER ON IT AND NOT JUST GIVING THEM A, A SLAP ON THE WRIST. 'CAUSE EVENTUALLY, I MEAN, YOU KEEP SLAPPING ON THE WRIST, THEY'RE NOT GONNA LEARN ANYTHING. YEAH. AND, UH, MY, MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, OH, WHY YOU THINK SO MUCH ABOUT THE PD? BUT IF WE GIVE THEM A CITATION, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO TO? DOES IT GO TO THE CITY OR DOES IT, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO TO IF WE WERE TO CITE 'EM? WELL, LIKE ANY TICKET, IT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND. GOTCHA. OKAY. YEAH. THEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, UM, CITE THEM. UM, AND I HAD A, UM, A CALL FROM ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS. HE'S A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. I GUESS WHAT HE WANTED ME TO CLARIFY IS THAT IF HE WERE TO LEAVE A BUSINESS CARD AT THE DOOR OR THE MAILBOX, IS THAT CONSIDERED PEDALING? IS THAT CONSIDERED A, A CAN BEYOND A MAIL? NO. SOLICITING, NO, IT GOES UNDER THE DEFINITIONS. IT, IT, IT TALKS ABOUT SELLING SOMETHING THERE IN THE, YOU'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT CLASSES. YOU HAVE CANVASERS, WHICH ARE PEOPLE GOING AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING YOU TO VOTE POLITICAL TYPE STUFF. YOU'VE GOT SOLICITORS WHICH ARE NON-COMMERCIAL, BUT THEY'RE ASKING FOR MONEY, DONATIONS, THAT SORT OF THING. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT PEDDLERS, WHICH ARE ACTUAL COMMERCIAL DEALERS. SOMEBODY TRYING TO SELL YOU SOMETHING. GOTCHA. OKAY. YEAH, I MEAN, UH, I DON'T SEE WHY WE SHOULDN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, CITE THEM. BUT, YOU KNOW, SINCE IF WE PASS THIS, UH, UH, ORDINANCE, THERE'S GONNA BE MORE PHONE CALLS, THERE'S GONNA BE MORE NEED OF POLICE OFFICERS. BUT THAT'S A, AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA. YEAH. RIGHT NOW I'M JUST WANTING TO SEE WHAT Y'ALL, 'CAUSE THIS IS ONLY A WORKSHOP, RIGHT? I JUST WANNA SEE WHAT Y'ALL, IF Y'ALL HAVE THE DESIRE TO TRIEN UP, TRY TIGHTEN UP IF YOU SEE A PROBLEM. YEAH, I BELIEVE IT IS A PROBLEM. ALRIGHT, STEVE, DO YOU BELIEVE IT'S A PROBLEM? OH, IT'S A BIG TIME PROBLEM. AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SCARY. I MEAN, YOU GET PEOPLE COMING IN FROM HOUSTON, YOU KNOW, AND GOING DOOR TO DOOR AND, AND I MEAN, THEY COME AFTER DARK TOO, YOU KNOW? AND, AND, UM, I, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA DO ANY PERMIT AND I DON'T EVEN WANNA GIVE A PERMIT. I THINK WITH THIS NON-SOLICIT, THE, THE, THE NO SOLICITING ON THE DOORS SHOULD, AND IF THEY DO IT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, CITE 'EM. BUT IT'S, IT'S A BIG PROBLEM. MY MOTHER-IN-LAW, SHE USED TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR EVERYBODY. AND YOU KNOW, SHE'S AN OLD LADY. AND, AND I WAS ALWAYS AFRAID, YOU KNOW, I'M SURPRISED NOTHING EVER HAPPENED. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FOR, FOR THE ELDERLY PEOPLE, IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A BIG DEAL. AND I DON'T OPEN MY DOOR. I JUST LET IT RING. YEAH. ALRIGHT. HECTOR, WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS IT A PROBLEM? THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM THERE IN MY, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GO TO YOUR HOUSE, WHAT THEY DO. UM, I DO AGREE WITH YOU. HAVE YOU BEEN, HAVE YOU BEEN ? I HAVEN'T BEEN SENDING THEM TO YOUR PLACE. NO, I [00:35:01] AIN'T SEND 'EM TO YOU. NO. THEY, THEY GO, THEY GO EVERYWHERE. I USUALLY CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT AND BRIAN TAKES CARE OF IT CALLS THE COPS AND THEY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DO. BUT THAT'S MY QUESTION. HOW IS LAW ENFORCEMENT GONNA HANDLE THIS? I THINK WE DON'T GIVE 'EM A WARNING. I THINK YOU START GIVING 'EM TICKETS. YEAH. CALL IT A DAY. I AGREE. UM, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I MEAN, 'CAUSE LIKE FELIX SAID, I MEAN THEY, THEY STILL GONNA COME BACK. FOR EXAMPLE, DR. IVES SAID IT, THEY GO TO HIS HOUSE, THEY GO TO THE OTHER HOUSE. BUT IF YOU GIVE 'EM A TICK IN ONE OF 'EM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA KEEP ON MOVING. THEY'RE GONNA STOP. SO I THINK WE'RE, WE, I I WOULD LIKE TO TIGHTEN IT UP AS MUCH AS WE CAN. ALRIGHT. JESSICA, WHAT DO YOU THINK? YOU WANT TO TIGHTEN IT UP? WHAT'S YOUR VIEW? RIGHT. I'M IN SUPPORT OF RESTRICTING THE, THE, WHAT WE CAN RESTRICT. 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I WORK FROM HOME. I'M ON ZOOMS. SOMEONE RINGS MY DOORBELL, IT INTERRUPTS MY WORK, AND THEN MY DOGS START BARKING AND THEN I'LL, IT JUST, IT, IT'S A PROBLEM. UM, BUT I DO KIND OF ECHO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE RAISED OF LIKE, HOW ARE WE GONNA ENFORCE IT? I, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, YOU GUYS ARE SAYING THEY STICK AROUND BECAUSE I, I IMAGINE, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? CALL 9 1 1 AND THEN BY THE TIME THE POLICE GET THERE, IF THE PERSON IS SMART, THEY'VE LEFT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE NECESSARILY. BUT I'M HOPING THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ENFORCE. UM, BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY WERE SMART, THEY WOULD JUST LEAVE. BUT IF, I GUESS IF THEY'RE STUPID, THEY'LL STICK AROUND AND GET THEIR TICKET. YEAH. IT WAS MY HOPE THAT THE PUBLICITY FROM THIS WOULD HELP JUST, UH, DETER FROM COMING TO BEGIN WITH MAYBE. AND, AND IF YOU PUT THAT WORD OUT, UM, SO I'VE GOTTEN ME MIXED MESSAGES FROM, FROM BRANDON AND WE'RE GOING TO GET, WE'RE GOING GET, TRY TO GET THAT STRAIGHTENED OUT, BUT HAPPY TO SHARE MY EMAIL WITH ALL OF YOU. YEAH. PLEASE SHARE IT. AND, AND THE NEXT TIME WHEN, WELL, WE WILL VISIT ABOUT THAT. BUT PHONE CALLS ALSO WORK AS WELL. ESPECIALLY IF YOU KNOW THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER'S WORKING ON SOMETHING, I'D MAKE A CALL. SURE. RICHARD. UM, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT IS YOUR PREFERENCE ABOUT THIS? DO YOU SEE DOOR TO DOOR SOLICITING A PROBLEM? DO YOU WANT TO TIGHTEN UP, YOU WANNA LEAVE IT THE SAME? DO YOU NOT WANT TO DO NOTHING? DO YOU WANT REWARD 'EM? DO YOU WANT TO PENALIZE THEM? WHICH OF YOU VIEW? UM, YEAH, I, I WANT TO TIGHTEN IT UP. UH, I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO GO OVER ALL OF IT. I DON'T WANT US TO GO ALL OVER IT. UM, I WOULD LIKE BRANDON OR SOMEONE TO, UH, TIGHTEN THEM UP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND I, I EVEN SAW YOU CAN RESTRICT THE TIME. LIKE, AND WE DO HAVE A TIME RESTRICTION CURRENTLY. AND, AND OURS IS HONESTLY MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN MOST CITIES. IT'S JUST ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. I THINK, UH, AFTER 5:00 PM UNTIL 10:00 AM UM, CAN'T HAVE ANY, ANY PEDDLING AT ALL. I, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. I, YEAH, I JUST WANNA TIGHTEN IT UP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. THE, THE STEEPEST FINES AND EVERYTHING, GEORGE, WELL, I GET, UH, CONFRONTED, UH, WITH, UH, THEY DO HAVE A PERMIT, THEIR COMPANY OR WHATEVER. I'M ASKING YOU, DID YOU HAVE ONE? AND HE SAYS, I DO. WHERE IS IT? HE, SO HE SHOWS IT TO ME, TO THE EYE. I'M TALKING TO HIM THROUGH THE EYE. I CAN READ THAT, UH, WHATEVER HE'S GOT AROUND HIS NECK OR WHATEVER. NO, I AGREE. I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT WE, WE NEED TO TIGHTEN IT UP CONSIDERABLY. 'CAUSE SOMEBODY'S GONNA GET HURT. SOMEBODY REALLY IS. THANK YOU. SO I WOULD Y'ALL WISH TO TIGHTEN IT UP AS MUCH AS YEAH. TIGHTEN IT UP. ALSO, DO YOU HAVE, I THINK FOR SOME OF THE RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE THE, THE SIGN CAN WE, DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SIGN FOR THAT? CAN YOU GET AROUND THAT? THEY REALLY DO. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT THINGS WE RUN INTO. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RESTRICTING SOMEBODY FROM GOING ON TO PRIVATE PROPERTY TO CONVEY A MESSAGE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KIND OF RUN INTO A LITTLE TROUBLE DOING. BUT IF, IF THE RESIDENT DECIDES, HEY, I DON'T WANT ANY SOLICITORS HERE, THEY PUT OUT THE SIGN. CAN WE ENFORCE THAT? SURE. IS IT SIMILAR AT ALL TO LIKE THE NO TRESPASS WARNING? DO WE HAVE TO BE WARNED FIRST AND THEN THE SECOND TIME? OR IS IT JUST NO, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF ONE AND DONE. YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, NO SOLICITING IS NO SOLICITING. OKAY. SO THE WISHES THE COUNCIL ARE TO RE-LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AND TIGHTEN IT UP AS MUCH AS ALLOWED BY STATE LAW, BY STATE LAW THAT, OR EVEN FEDERAL LAW THAT, THAT, UH, THAT A COUNSEL IN OUR POSITION CAN DO. ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT WOULD MEAN TIMES. THAT WOULD MEAN AMOUNTS THAT WOULD MEAN PENALTIES. UM, AND ANY OTHER RESTRICTION YOU CAN COME UP WITH. AND, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT HAVE EVEN GONE AS FAR AS TO SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU VIOLATE THE ORDINANCE, WE CAN CONFISCATE YOUR GOODS. WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU'RE PEDDLING OUT THERE. THEY DON'T HAVE NO GOODS. I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD GO THAT ABOUT THOSE SOLAR PANELS. THEY DON'T HAVE NO SOLAR PANELS CARRYING AROUND. I [00:40:01] SAW ONE THE OTHER DAY, HE WAS RIDING ONE OF THEM AS SMALL LITTLE SCOOTERS. OH, WELL I BET YOU DON'T WANNA LOSE THOSE. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD DO THAT. DR. I WHY DON'T YOU COME UP BACK. COME BACK. CAN, CAN WE GET THE, THE CHIEF, HANG ON, HANG ON, HANG ON. DR. I, CAN WE GET THE CHIEF TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT IT? YES, WE CAN. WE CAN GET THE CHIEF. UH, BUT, UH, THE CHIEF AND BRIAN, UM, IS WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT. SO I GUESS THE INITIAL CALL WOULD GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT THE, THESE FOLKS CURRENTLY GET THEIR PERMITS AT YOUR OFFICE, BRIAN. YES, SIR. WELL, I, I'VE HEARD THE ATTORNEY SAY THAT UNDER THE CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE LAW MM-HMM . WE CAN FIND 'EM $200. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. UNDER, UNDER OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE. OKAY. BUT WE CAN, UH, CHANGE THAT ORDINANCE AND RAISE THAT AMOUNT. WE CAN IF, IF YOU DECLARE REPEAT VIOLATIONS IN NUISANCE. WELL, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO. SO THAT'S, WE WANNA DECLARE, DO YOU, AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, CAN WE GO ABOVE $200? NO, WE'RE GONNA BRING ONE BACK THAT SAYS YOU CAN, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT YOU TO DO. WE WANT YOU TO, TO WRITE THIS. I I I THOUGHT THE COUNCIL WAS PRETTY CLEAR. SO WE WANT YOU TO WRITE IT. IS IS AS STRINGENT AS IF WE COULD NOT TOTALLY PROHIBIT THIS. OKAY. AND YOU, YOU SAY WE CAN'T. CORRECT. ALRIGHT. UM, THEN, THEN WE WANNA MAKE IT AS PROHIBITIVE AS POSSIBLE. UH, TELL US ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT THING. CHIEF. WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT ARE NO, I, I LIKE ANY VIOLATION IF, IF, IF THE POLICE ARE CALLED OR SEEN. BUT IT PUTS THE PUBLIC IN A PRECARIOUS SITUATION HAVING TO CALL, UH, ELDERLY PEOPLE HAVING TO CALL THE POLICE AND GET THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE THESE FOLKS KNOW WHERE WE, WHERE YOU LIVE AND AS THEY SAFE. SURE. YEAH. AND I'LL JUST SAY FOR ENFORCEMENT, UH, ANYTIME YOU HAVE, I THINK THIS CODE HAS SEVEN DIFFERENT DEFENSES OF PROSECUTION, UH, THAT ALWAYS ADDS LAYERS TO, UH, ISSUES WITH ENFORCEMENT. UM, HOWEVER, WE DO ENCOURAGE OUR OFFICERS TO, UH, USE THEIR DISCRETION THAT THEY HAVE. UH, AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS COURTHOUSE IS PACKED ON TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS WITH ALL KINDS OF VIOLATIONS. SO, UM, WE'LL CONTINUE TO, ANY DOOR TO DOOR SOLICITING VIOLATIONS? I'M NOT SURE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AT SOME POINT, RIGHT. HOW MANY I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AT SOME POINT HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE RECORD? I DON'T THINK ANY, I DON'T THINK CHIEF, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I KNOW THE COURTHOUSE IS FULL, BUT, UH, ON STUFF LIKE THAT, I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANYBODY IN THIS CITY GETTING A TICKET FOR DOOR TO DOOR. THE, THE CITY JUDGE MIGHT HAVE STATS. HER COURT MAY HAVE STAT STATS ON THAT. YEAH, THEY, THEY DO. HOPEFULLY. ANYWAYS. SO, UM, I THINK THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AND COUNCIL, IF ANYBODY OBJECTS CHIME IN RIGHT NOW, THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION IS, UH, WE REALLY PREFER STEPPED UP. UM, ENFORCEMENT OF THIS WHEN THE OFFICER COMES OUT, NO WARNINGS, NO VERBAL, GIVE 'EM A TICKET, PLEASE. THEY DO HAVE DISCRETION THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. ALRIGHT. OFFICERS HAVE DISCRETION HOW THEY ENFORCE THE LAW, BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE, UH, THAT THIS IS A PRIORITY. THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRIORITY AND A PREFERENCE, RIGHT? HE'S GONNA WORK ON THE ORDINANCE, IT'LL COME BACK. WE'LL HAVE TO RATIFY IT IF THE GROUP SO CHOOSES TO AT THAT TIME. AND WE CAN CERTAINLY ASSIGN OFFICERS TO JUST CITY ORDINANCE VIOLATIONS IF THAT'S A PRIORITY. WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. BUT WHEN A POLICE OFFICER GETS THE CALL AND THEY COME OUT AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES THESE FOLKS ARE ARGUMENTATIVE WITH THE PUBLIC. SURE. THAT'S WHY THE POLICE IS CALLED. YEAH. AND IN THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE A SOLICITOR OR ANY MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, DOESN'T LEAVE YOUR PROPERTY, THAT'S A CRIMINAL TRESPASS, IT'S A MORE SERIOUS VIOLATION. UH, SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU IF YOU RUN INTO THAT, UH, IF YOU CAN PROVE THAT YOU HAVE ASKED THE PERSON TO LEAVE YOUR PROPERTY AND THEY DIDN'T DO, SO THAT'S A, A TRESPASSING VIOLATION. SO IT'S NOT A NECESSARILY A PERMIT ISSUE, IT'S A PENAL CODE VIOLATION AT THAT POINT. AND IF SOMEONE WERE TO REPORT THAT, LIKE IF THEY CALL THE POLICE AND REPORT THAT, RIGHT? IS THAT MORE LIKELY TO ELICIT LIKE A, NOT THAT THESE AREN'T SERIOUS THINGS, BUT IF IS A DIFFERENCE, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, BETWEEN SOMEBODY VIOLATING THE, THE SOLICITING MUNICIPAL ORDINANCE SURE. VERSUS THERE'S A PERSON AT MY DOOR ARGUING WITH ME AND WON'T GO AWAY. THAT'S MORE ESTIMATE. YEAH. TRES, CRIMINAL TRESPASS, IF YOU GAVE THEM VERBAL, UH, INSTRUCTIONS TO LEAVE YOUR PROPERTY AND THEY DIDN'T DO SO THAT'S A, A CRIMINAL TRESPASS AT THAT POINT. YEAH, GO AHEAD. R WHAT'S THE UH, UH, PENALTY FOR THAT? UH, THAT IS A, I BELIEVE A CLASS A MISDEMEANOR ON PERSONAL PROPERTY. IT'S EITHER A CLASS B OR A CLASS A. THEY GET ARRESTED. A-A-B-A-B IS UP [00:45:01] TO TWO THOU IS ARRESTABLE, BOTH A AND B ARE ARRESTABLE. B IS UP TO A $2,000 FINE AND 180 DAYS IN JAIL AND A IS UP TO 365 DAYS IN JAIL AND A $4,000 FINE. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. IF SOMEONE IS DOING THAT, DON'T CALL AND SAY THEY'RE SOLICITING AND I DON'T LIKE IT. IT IS AGAINST CITY ORDINANCE CALL AND SAY WHAT HE SAID, THEY'RE CRIMINALLY TRESPASSING AND THAT'S GONNA HAVE PROBABLY MORE LIKELY LIGHTS AND SIRENS IS MY GUESS. WELL, NO, I'M JUST, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THESE DEFENSES AND MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S SEVEN OF 'EM OR EIGHT IN THIS ORDINANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT SPECIFIC SITUATION'S NOT COVERED. SO IF YOU COULD GET RID OF THE DEFENSES, IT WOULD HELP THE ENFORCEMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS MY CONCERN TOO. BUT I I THINK THAT THERE'S TOO MANY DEF TOO MANY DEF DEFENSE, OR NOT TOO MANY DEFENSES, BUT IT, IT, IT DOES CREATE A LOT OF LAYERS TO LIKE, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? A LOT OF RED TAPE. WHAT ARE YOU SELLING? YEAH. WHY ARE, WHO GAVE YOU PERMISSION? SO I, I DO THINK THAT COMPLIC, THE AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE IS FOR ME, COMPLIC AS A DEFENSE ATTORNEY, I'M DROOLING. I'M LIKE, OH YES, GREAT. THERE'S A PARAGRAPH OF AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES. I DON'T SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO CLEAN THAT UP. AND JESSICA AND BRANDON, AS Y'ALL KNOW, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN CASE BETWEEN CASE LAW AND STATUTE. SURE. SO, UH, SO THE STATUTE ALLOWS FOR PROHIBITION, BUT IT'S BEEN OVERTURNED BY CASE LAW. THE CASE LAW OR THE STATUTE SAYS THAT YOU CAN RESTRICT IT. IT DOESN'T USE THE WORD BAN OR, UH, YOU KNOW, OUTRIGHT PROHIBITING. DOES IT, DOES THE STATUTE SAY HOW FAR YOU CAN RESTRICT? OR DOES IT IT DOESN'T. IT'S, IT'S LEFT PRETTY VAGUE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY YOU LOOKED THE CASE LAW? WELL, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE RESTRICT, RESTRICT IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SURE. DR. IS, DID YOU WISH TO ADD ANYTHING? ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS A PERSON COMES TO YOUR DOOR, COMING BACK TO HER POINT, OKAY. COMES TO YOUR DOOR. YOU, YOU, YOU, UH, POLITELY ASK THEM ABOUT THEIR, THEIR, UH, PERMIT, PERMIT, THEIR CITY PERMIT. AND, UH, THEY SAID, WELL, WE HAVE ONE. IT'S IN THE CAR OR WHATEVER. THEY DON'T HAVE ONE. AND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT UPFRONT. BUT IT, YOU ASK 'EM NICELY, SAYS, LOOK, YOU GOTTA HAVE A CITY PERMIT. YOU'VE GOTTA SH SHOW IT ON YOU, AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO LEAVE, BUT I WANT YOU TO LEAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE A ONE WAY ENTRANCE AND ONE WAY OUT IN REGARD TO 40 SOME ODD HOMES. AND WE ASK 'EM TO LEAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY GO OUT RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, TURN IN THE NEXT NEXT HOUSE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, AND GO ON DOWN THE STREET. AND THAT'S WHEN, THAT'S WHEN, IF THEY LEAVE, NO PROBLEM. I'M NOT GONNA CALL. BUT THEN I, I'VE CALLED THE POLICE AND HEY, POLICE ARE RIGHT ON IT. THEY'LL PICK 'EM UP AND, AND, AND BE ABLE TO TALK TO 'EM. THEY SEE 'EM SOLICITING. THE PEOPLE ADMIT THEY'RE SOLICITING AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT. UH, IN REGARD TO SUPER NOW, UH, OFFICER SUPER NOW THAT, UH, SHE ACTUALLY CALLED THE, THE GUY'S BOSS IN HOUSTON TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT. AND HE EXPLAINED, HE SAYS, OH, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A, A PERMIT. AND SHE SAYS, YOU DON'T HAVE A PERMIT IN ROSENBERG. HE SAYS, WELL, WE GOT ONE IN SUGAR LAND. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED ONE. AND SO UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, WHEN YOU'VE ASKED SOMEBODY TO LEAVE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY GO TO THE NEXT HOUSE, WOULD THAT NOT BE, UH, AN ISSUE THAT, THAT WE COULD ISSUE A TICKET ON? UH, I DON'T KNOW. I'M ASKING. SO IF YOU'RE SAYING IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, YOU ASK 'EM TO LEAVE AND THEY JUST GO TO YOUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'D BE ANOTHER VIOLATION. YEAH. 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PERMIT. THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT TO START WITH AND THEY CONTINUED TO DO IT, AND THEY WENT TO THE NEXT HOUSE. SO THEY'RE OPERATING WITHOUT PERMIT. WELL, UNLESS, UNLESS THERE IS A DEFENSE ON HERE THAT IF THEY HAD, IS THAT DISCRETION TO BE ABLE TO GIVE 'EM A TICKET. IF THEY HAD PERMISSION FROM, LET'S SAY YOUR NEIGHBOR ALLOWED THAT THE ONE OF THESE DEFENSES, IF THEY HAD PERMISSION TO BE THERE, IT WOULDN'T BE A VIOLATION OF OH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. YES, SIR. AND, AND WHAT THEY SAY IS, WELL, WE'RE WORKING ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER HERE AND, AND ON YOUR NEIGHBOR, ON YOUR NEXT, YOUR DOWN THE STREET NEIGHBOR. WE'RE WORKING OVER THERE RIGHT NOW. YEP. DOC, DR. I, UH, I DO RESPECT CHIEF WHITE. UH, WHAT ABOUT EXCEPTION, UH, HALLOWEEN. A WHAT? HALLOWEEN. THEY'RE NOT SELLING. THAT'S NOT SELLING. THAT'S, THAT'S I'M JUST SAYING WHAT, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE ON HALLOWEEN. TRICK OR TREATING IS NOT, THAT'S COVERED IN, IN ONE OF THE DEFENSES AS WELL. WELL, IF YOU'RE SELLING OR [00:50:01] DISTRIBUTING FOOD. SO IT WOULD BE OKAY, DOES THE, DOES THE PERMIT, IF WE DO AWAY WITH THE PERMITTING, DOES IT MAKE IT HARDER FOR US TO ENFORCE, IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE? BECAUSE IF YOU SAY, HEY, SHOW ME YOUR PERMIT AND IT'S GOT THEIR NAME OR SOMETHING ON IT, AND YOU SAY, HEY, WELL YOU CAN'T BE HERE. 'CAUSE I HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS DON'T SOLICIT, DON'T DO WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING HERE. I, THAT WAS KIND OF MY THING. 'CAUSE I'M JUST THINKING OF THE PRACTICAL PURPOSE. IF I, SOMEONE COMES TO MY, MY DOOR AND KNOCKS ON IT, I SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T BE HERE. I CALL THE POLICE. IF THEY'RE NOT THERE ANYMORE, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT. AN OFFICER'S GONNA COME UP AND SAY, WELL, WHO WAS HERE? AND I'M GONNA SAY, OH, I DON'T KNOW. SO, YEAH, SO I, I UNDERSTAND THE GUYS WANNA DO AWAY WITH THE PERMITTING AND THAT'S FINE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT I DO THINK IT KIND OF MAKES IT EASY TO SAY WHO WAS THERE, WHO THEY WORK FOR, AND THEN MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO, IF THE POLICE DON'T RESPOND WHILE THEY'RE STILL ON THE SCENE, THEY CAN STILL ISSUE A CITATION EVEN WHEN THEY'RE NOT THERE, POTENTIALLY. BUT CAN IT GET AWAY? THEY HAVE A PERMIT, NO PERMIT. WE SAY WE, IF YOU PERMIT, IF YOU CAN'T TOTALLY PROHIBIT IT, WE STILL NEED THE PERMIT, THEN YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD NEED THE PERMIT BECAUSE YEAH, I THINK WE STILL NEED TO KEEP THAT IF, IF, YEAH, MY, MY THING WAS TO GET RID OF THE PERMIT AND TOTALLY PROHIBIT IT. IF YOU DON'T AT LEAST HAVE THE PERMIT, THEN WE'RE REALLY GONNA BE, AND I THINK IF I MAY, IF WE WANT TO FIX THE ISSUE, A LOT OF THESE, UM, SOLICITORS, THEY MAY WORK FOR THE COMPANY TODAY AND NOT WORK FOR 'EM TOMORROW. IF THERE'S A MECHANISM TO ACTUALLY PENALIZE THE BUSINESS, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GONNA GO. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE EFFECTIVE. UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST HIRING NEW EMPLOYEES, UH, WEEKLY SOMETIMES. AND IF THE BUSINESS ISN'T BEING PEN PENALIZED ONLY THE EMPLOYEE IS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE REALLY GONNA COVER ANY GROUND ON, ON STOPPING THE ISSUE, IF THAT'S THE GOAL. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. UH, CHIEF, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN, YOU COULD CHECK IF, IF YOU'RE THERE AS, AS AN AGENT OF THAT BUSINESS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WOULD BE IF, YOU KNOW THE BUSINESS IS SENDING YOU OUT TO DO SOMETHING ON THEIR BEHALF. YEAH. UH, I I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET YOU PROBABLY CAN. I'LL, I'LL YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEND THE COMPANY A CITATION OR A CEASE AND DESIST. I MEAN, WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT. YEAH, I, I'LL, I'LL TAKE A LOOK. BUT YOU KNOW, IF THE SAME COMPANY JUST KEEPS SENDING PEOPLE OUT AND, AND WHO WOULD YOU WRITE THE TICKET TO? WHO WOULD YOU, THE COMPANY ITSELF. WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND. MAYOR, WHAT ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT THESE, THESE SOLAR PANELS THAT THEY, THAT THEY BOUGHT AND, AND THE REGRET FOR ABOUT BUYING THESE? WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL SOLICITING. CAROLYN, DO YOU WISH TO ADD ANYTHING? THIS IS PROBABLY 25 YEARS AGO. UM, I CAME TO CITY HALL AND I GOT A ORANGE DECAL ABOUT YAY BIG. AND IT SAID WARNING, NO SOLICITING. IT WAS ISSUED BY THE CITY. AND IT HAD A BRIEF THING OF THE ORDINANCE ON THERE. I DON'T THINK THEY DO THAT ANYMORE. MINE STAYED IN THE, UM, FACE OF THE WEST AND IT FADED UP SO BAD. I ENDED UP PUTTING MY OWN UP THERE. BUT I'M THINKING THAT MAYBE THAT'S AN OPTION. IT LISTS, YOU KNOW, WARNING, NO SOLICITING. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE REST OF IT WAS, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING ABOUT THE ORDINANCE. AND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE. IT DESCRIBES THAT CARD. I DIDN'T REALIZE THE CITY HAD BEEN GIVING THEM OUT YEARS AGO, BUT RIGHT. NEON ORANGE COULDN'T MISS IT WHEN YOU PUT IT IN YOUR WINDOW. OKAY. SO, YEAH. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'M SUGGESTING IN THE ORDINANCE IS INSTEAD OF SAYING YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS SPECIFIC CARD, JUST SAY, IF YOU HAVE A NO SOLICITING SIGN, PEOPLE CAN'T COME UNDER YOUR PROPERTY TO DO THAT. YEAH. WELL THAT'S ONE. ANOTHER ANSWER IS LET PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, YOU CAN, I MEAN THAT. WELL NOW WE'RE LETTING 'EM KNOW. YEAH, THERE IS A PERMITTING PROCESS. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN THING. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A LOOPHOLE AS LONG, AS LONG AS THAT, UM, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A PERMITTING PROCESS. BUT I THINK THE, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO TIGHTEN UP ON IT AND DO WHATEVER WE CAN DO THE TIGHTEST AND MAYBE HAND OUT THOSE DEALS AGAIN, IN THE MEANTIME. AND THAT'S WHAT'S, YOU NEED SOME RESEARCH AND SEE IF, IF THESE, IF THERE'S BEEN ANOTHER CASE LAW TO COUNTER THAT CASE LAW. AND THEY SAID THROUGHOUT THE LAST CASE LAW. SO THERE ARE NEVER KNOW, HADN'T BEEN OVERTURNED YET. UH, IT'S VERY OLD, BUT HADN'T BEEN OVERTURNED YET. BUT, UM, THE, WELL, WHAT'S NICE ABOUT THE NO SOLICITING SIGN IS EVEN IF THEY HAVE THEIR PERMIT FROM THE CITY, IF YOU HAVE THAT NO SOLICITING SIGN IN YOUR YARD, THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T GO TO YOUR HOUSE. IT'S STILL A VIOLATION. YEAH. 'CAUSE IT WAS BRIGHT ORANGE. IT REALLY STUCK OUT. YOU COULD, I MEAN, YOU COULDN'T MISS IT. CHIEF, I, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. MM-HMM . UM, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THE, THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO PUT, UM, BUSINESS CARDS IN, IN THEIR MAILBOX OR ON THE DOOR. I'M NOT SAYING A RESIDENT WILL DO THIS, BUT, UM, WHAT IF THEY CALL PD AND SAY, LOOK, THIS PERSON CAME HERE AND LEFT ME THIS. IN REALITY, THEY DIDN'T KNOCK ON THE DOOR, THEY JUST LEFT THE BUSINESS CARD. IS [00:55:01] THERE ANYTHING YOU, YOU, YOU CAN DO TO THEM? LIKE, I, I JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE WHO LEFT THE CARD AND DIDN'T KNOCK TO GET TROUBLE. I MEAN, SO IF YOU HAD A NO TRESPASSING SIGN ON YOUR FRONT DOOR, THEY WOULD BE TECHNICALLY TRESPASSING. GOTCHA. OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE. BUT, UH, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE PERMIT, WHEN PEOPLE APPLY FOR THAT PERMIT, I THINK THE ISSUE IS THE CITIZENS, RIGHTFULLY SO, DON'T WANNA BE BOTHERED BY SOLICITORS. IF THEY GET A PERMIT, THEY'RE JUST ILLEGALLY BEING ANNOYING AT THAT POINT. UM, BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT APPLY FOR PERMITS, THEY GET THE PERMIT. SO THEY'RE STILL GONNA GO OUT NOW AND SOLICIT AND GO DOOR TO DOOR TO DOOR. SO I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE, IF THAT'S THE GOAL, IF THERE'S A WAY TO, UH, AFFIRM IF YOU COULD TARGET THE BUSINESS RAISING THE PRICE ON THE PERMIT. WELL, IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD PENALIZE THE BUSINESS THAT'S VIOLATING IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY PUT A STOP TO IT. HOW ABOUT, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. HOW ABOUT RAISING THE PRICE ON THE PERMIT? SO THE ONLY THING WITH PERMITTING PROCESSES IS WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF LIMITED TO TYING THAT AMOUNT TO WHAT IT COSTS TO RUN THE PROGRAM OR ENFORCE IT. OTHERWISE, IT'S CONSIDERED A TAX. OKAY. RIGHT NOW IT'S $50. IS THAT AN ATTACK? NO. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A TAX. WOULD, WOULD $150 BE AN ATTACK? IT, IT ALL HAS TO JUST, IF YOU CAN TIE IT BACK TO, LOOK, THIS IS OUR COST OF ENFORCING THIS, THIS IS OUR COST OF IT, GOING THROUGH THE PERMITTING OFFICE, ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. IF YOU'RE TYING IT BACK TO THOSE COSTS, THEN IT'S FINE. I MEAN, YOU, YOU CAN'T, UH, YOU CAN'T TURN IT INTO A MONEY MAKING OPERATION FOR THE CITY. THAT'S WHEN IT BECOMES A TAX. SO BRANDON, JUST TO KIND OF TOUCH ON WHAT FELIX WAS ASKING, I THINK FOR, IF YOU'RE JUST PLACING CARDS, ASSUMING NO ONE HAS A SIGN, IF YOU'RE JUST GOING DOOR TO DOOR HOUSES WITH NO SIGN, PLACING A LANDSCAPING BUSINESS CARD, IS HE YOUR YARD BAG OR SOMETHING? MM-HMM . A CLEANING SERVICE, LANDSCAPING, WHATEVER, JUST PLACING CARDS. WOULD THAT BE, UM, AUTHORIZED? I JUST, AT THE, WHEN I'M KIND OF GLANCING AT THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SOLICITING AND SOLICITOR KIND OF TOUCHES ON LIKE AN IMMEDIATE DONATION OR AN IMMEDIATE SALE IT, IT KIND OF SUGGESTS THAT IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE ASKING RIGHT NOW, LIKE, HURRY UP AND BUY. LIKE, YOU KNOW, DO DO IT NOW WE'RE GONNA NEGOTIATE AT THE DOOR OR HAVE THE MERCHANDISE WITH ME BECAUSE IT, IT UNDER SOLICITING THE DEFINITION AND SOLICITOR IT HAS THE WORD, UH, IMMEDIATE. THEY, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AN IMMEDIATE DONATION OR TRANSFER OF MONEY OR OTHER THING OF VALUE FROM A PERSON, REGARDLESS OF THEIR PURPOSE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. BUT IT, IT, I, FROM READING THIS, IT KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE IF THEY'RE JUST PLACING A CARD AND THEY'RE NOT IMMEDIATELY TRYING TO SELL YOU SOMETHING, IS THAT AUTHORIZED UNDER THE STATUTE PROPOSED STATUTE, PRO PROPOSED ORDINANCE. RIGHT. SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S A TOUGH CALL. IF THAT WOULD FALL UNDER, THAT'S THE WORD THAT I SEE IN HERE TWICE UNDER THE DEFINITION OF SOLICITING. MM-HMM . AND SOLICITOR, IF YOU INTEND TO PROHI, IF WE INTEND TO PROHIBIT EVEN THE PLACING OF A BUSINESS CARD DOOR TO DOOR, I THINK THAT WORD IMMEDIATE POSES A PROBLEM, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY IMMEDIATE IF THEY'RE JUST PLACING A CARD AND LEAVING. YEAH. THAT'S SETTING IT UP FOR FUTURE TRANSACTIONS. SO YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE STRUCK. OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TOO. ALRIGHT, MAN. I THINK WE BEAT THIS THING, WAYNE. OKAY, WAYNE, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. WE HAVE A SUBDIVISION ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT. CAN WE PLACE A SIGN ON OUR FRONT, ON OUR ENTRANCE? THERE'S NO SOLICITING. AND THAT, WILL THAT KEEP 'EM OUT? I, I THINK JUST BECAUSE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUE, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA NEED TO BE IN EACH PERSON'S YARD THAT WAY THAT PERSON MADE THAT DECISION. UM, I, I KNOW IT'S AN ANNOYING ANSWER. I, I LIVE IN A SUBDIVISION WITH ONE WAY AND ONE WAY OUT. I WOULD LOVE TO JUST HAVE SOMETHING AT, AT THE FRONT THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, JUST STAY OUT. UM, IF YOU HAVE AN HOA OR SOMETHING, THEY, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD ENFORCE A LITTLE. THEY DO HAVE AN H HO A, YOU KNOW, SO SOMETIMES THEY CAN PUSH THINGS A LITTLE FURTHER THAN THE GOVERNMENT CAN. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND YOU GOT THE GOVERNMENT ENFORCING IT, THAT'S GONNA BE STRICT SCRUTINY EVERY TIME. I'M JUST CURIOUS, I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT HOW FRESH IS THAT PROHIBITIVE CASE? , THERE'S TWO OF THEM. ONE IS FROM 1945, AND THE OTHER'S FROM 1952 NEITHER'S EVER BEEN OVERTURNED. LIKE WE SAY, IT'S LONG SETTLED, LONG SETTLEMENT. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU SAY. IT'S, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY, ANY CASE, BRANDON, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU'RE HANGING YOUR HAT ON A 1945 AND 52 CASE. THAT'S THE WAY THE LAW WORKS. MAYOR. IF, IF IT HASN'T BEEN OVERTURNED, IT'S STILL GOOD LAW. YEP. AND YOU COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING MORE CURRENT THAT HAS BEEN CHALLENGED. IT IS JUST WELL SETTLED. THERE'S TWO CASES THAT SAY EXACTLY THE SAME THING. DID YOU IZE IT? I DID. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL THESE LEGAL TERMS, IT'S JUST IZED. IZED. THERE'S, THERE'S A DATABASE, LIKE [01:00:01] FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE DIFFERENT ONES LIKE THOMPSON ROUTERS, WESTLAW, LEXINEXIS, WHERE WE DO LEGAL RESEARCH AND THERE'S A PROCESS CALLED IZATION. MM-HMM . AND YOU CLICK A FLAG AND IT TELLS YOU, LIKE ALL THE NERDS THAT READ ALL THIS STUFF WILL TELL US, IT TELLS IT, TELL YOU IF THERE'S BEEN ANY OPINIONS LATER OF THAT. YES. THE RED FLAG, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THAT MEANS YELLOW FLAG, MEANING READ WITH CAUTION OR SAY DISTINGUISH BY THIS CASE OR DISTINGUISH BY THAT CASE. AND SO IT'S A WHOLE THING. MM-HMM. WE DON'T WANT TO INTRUDE ON ANYONE'S RIGHTS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME, FOLKS HAVE THE RIGHT FOR PEOPLE NOT TO COME ONTO THEIR YARD ON THEIR PORCH. YEAH. WE'LL DEFINITELY PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THAT. 'CAUSE AGAIN, IF, IF THEY'RE ARGUMENTATIVE WITH YOU, YOU'VE ASKED 'EM TO LEAVE AND THEY HAVEN'T, WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH A CITY ORDINANCE VIOLATION AT THAT POINT. WE'RE DEALING WITH A, A MORE SERIOUS TRESPASSING ISSUE. LET'S LOOK AT THE PRICE OF THOSE PERMITS AS WELL. ALRIGHT, SO I GUESS WE'VE COVERED THAT ONE. UM, LET US KNOW. I GUESS IT NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATED TOO, SO THE MEDIA AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE'RE TYING, TYING UP ON THIS ORDINANCE. WELL, YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE, WE CAN GET THE CITY OH, WHEN WE, WHEN WE RATIFY IT. YEAH. YEAH, WE WILL. UH, THEY'RE GONNA REPORT TONIGHT THAT WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO THE SOLICITORS, WELL, THEY MAY START FLOODING YOU. NO. WELL, THEY MIGHT WANT TO. THEY MIGHT NOT WANT TO COME. WELL, I, I WOULDN'T. ANYWAYS, LET'S, UH, [3. Review and discuss the Animal Control and Shelter monthly report for July 2025, and take action as necessary to direct staff. (Jarret Nethery, Assistant Police Chief) ] DO THE ANIMAL CONTROL REPORT. AND, AND, AND NOW THE NEWS REVIEW AND DISCUSS ANIMAL CONTROL SHELTER MONTHLY REPORT JULY, 2025. AND TAKE ACTION AS NECESSARY IF Y'ALL WANNA REALLY SEE SOMETHING INTERESTING. WAYNE, STICK AROUND FOR THIS NEXT REPORT. NOW WHAT YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR. . YEAH, . SO WE HAVE YOUR JULY 20, 25 MONTHLY REPORT FOR ANIMAL CONTROL. UM, WE HAD A COMMUNITY VACCINE DRIVE WITH OVER 75 PETS RECEIVING FREE VACCINES AND MICROCHIPS, UH, PROVIDED BY ANIMAL CONTROL. UH, WE HAD A RESCUE SUPPORT FROM SOCA. UH, THEY HELPED US OUT WITH KITTENS THIS MONTH, THEIR LAST MONTH, UH, ONE OF OUR GRANT EXPENDITURES WENT TO HELP A DOG THAT, UH, HAD TO GO THROUGH A FEMORAL HEAD OSTECTOMY. I DID NOT KNOW WHAT THAT WAS, BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH, I GUESS, REMOVING PART OF THE FEMUR OF THE DOG. UH, SO THIS IS A DOG THAT TYPICALLY WOULD'VE BEEN EUTHANIZED. UH, WE WERE ABLE TO USE GRANT MONEY, SAVE IT, AND THEN IT WENT OUT TO A, UH, TO A RESCUE. UH, WE HAD TWO SENIOR DOGS THAT WENT TO A RESCUE AT, UH, LONG WAY HOME ADOPTABLES AND THE THESE DOGS WE, WE OBTAINED THROUGH A ANIMAL CRUELTY CASE. UM, AS FAR AS OUR INTAKES, WE HAD 42 DOGS COME IN THE SHELTER, 63 CATS AND 16 OTHER, UH, FOR 121 TOTAL INTAKES OUTCOMES. WE HAD 46 DOGS, 72 CATS, AND 16 OTHER. UH, WE DID HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF DEATHS IN THE, IN THE FACILITY IN JULY. UH, THIS IS, UH, MUCH LIKE LAST YEAR, ABOUT THE SAME TIME WE HAD A PAN LUKE OUTBREAK. UM, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE LARGE COMMUNITIES OF CATS. UM, THEY CAN TRANSFER DISEASES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL PICK ANIMALS UP OR HAVE THEM BROUGHT INTO THE SHELTER, NOT KNOWING THAT THEY'RE CARRYING DISEASES AND THEN IT CAN SPREAD. SO, UM, WE'RE ABLE TO GET THAT UNDER CONTROL. UH, SO IT'S NO LONGER AN ISSUE. UM, BUT IT DID RESULT IN SOME, UH, SOME UNFORTUNATE DEATHS. UH, OUR TOTAL LIVE RELEASE RATE FOR THE MONTH OF JULY WAS 90%. THAT'S, UH, 93% FOR DOGS, 85 FOR CATS. 'CAUSE OF THE PAN LUKE, AND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE 16 OTHERS, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN YOUR WILD ANIMALS. UM, WE HAD 119, UH, DISPATCH FIELD ASSIGNMENTS, TWO BITE CASES WERE INVESTIGATED. UH, WE HAD THREE ANIMAL CRUELTY CASES THAT WERE INVESTIGATED AND WE HAD THREE ADOPTION EVENTS. ONE WAS AT THE SHELTER, WHICH YIELDED ONE CAT ADOPTION. WE HAD ONE AT HOLLYWOOD FEED, A REALLY GOOD PARTNER, UM, WHICH HAD A CAT ADOPTION. AND THEN WE PARTICIPATED AND EMPTY THE SHELTERS, WHICH I THINK MAYOR YOU HIGHLIGHTED EARLY ON, UH, WHERE WE HAD 22 ADOPTIONS, UH, IN TOTAL, WHICH A HUGE EVENT FOR THE CITY. WHERE WAS THAT EVENT AT? UM, THAT ONE'S AT, I BELIEVE FORT BEND COUNTY. OKAY. AT THE FAIR N RRG, I THINK. OH YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT ONE'S DOWNTOWN. WE HAD THE [01:05:01] NRG WAS AUGUST. OKAY. SO THIS ONE WOULD'VE BEEN AT, UH, AT FORT BEND. FORT BEND, I GUESS, YEAH. HOW MANY ANIMALS WERE PUT DOWN THAT WERE NOT SICK OR INJURED? LET'S GO BACK. SO WE HAD, UH, ZERO. THAT WERE ZERO. OKAY. THAT'S THE NUMBER. I'M ZERO FOR BEHAVIOR. THAT'S THE NUMBER I'M LOOKING FOR. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. WE'LL SEE IF THE COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS. WE'LL START WITH GEORGE. WE GOING TO MIX IT UP AND START ON THIS END. GEORGE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ANIMAL REPORT? OH, UH, ALL I CAN SAY IS GOOD JOB. I MEAN, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, UH, GIVING THE FEES AWAY, I MEAN, WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. I'LL LET OMAR AND THE STAFF KNOW. YEP. RICHARD, NO QUESTIONS. JESSICA, NO QUESTIONS? UH, NO QUESTIONS. HECTOR, HE ANTICIPATED MY QUESTION. FELIX, ASK A QUESTION ABOUT IT. COME ON. JUST ONE THINK OF SOMETHING I JUST WANNA SAY, Y'ALL DOING A GREAT JOB. CONTINUE TO KEEP DOING THE GREAT WORK THAT Y'ALL DOING AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. YEAH, THANK YOU. THE STAFF WORKS REALLY HARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. I BELIEVE, WAS THAT IT? WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA? ADJOURN. ALRIGHT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. OKAY. JESSICA, MAKE IT, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. SECOND IT BY FELIX. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF GREEN? YES. SAY GREEN. YES. IF YOU'RE OPPOSED, SAY RED. NO. ALRIGHT, WE WILL ADJOURN. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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